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WillyWonka, your pups are a bit older so they are ok with one main meat meal of the day as long as they get their breakfast too. :D
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Willy mate, everyone rears their dogs differently. Lilly rears her dogs the way she says and she is very happy with what she does. She is giving you advise on what she does and it sounds good to me.
I chose to give human vitamins to my race dog.I have no problem with that. He has been on those vitamins every day for 12 months now and his blood count is normal. If it were not, the count would tell me what he is lacking and I would ajust my feeding program. I have told the vet what I am feeding him and the vitamins that I give him before the blood count. After viewing the results of the count he told me to just keep doing what I'm doing. So I do. But remember, he's racing. Thats the way I feed my dog. Other people may feed differently. |
yeah starting to find that out COOPS feeding is different for just about everyone i think ;) i emailed a man today and he put me back on track with some feeding advice coops!! i think we both know who im talking about :D Its more the worry of if im giving her enough and keeping her healthy, Im a sheep dog man, re education, training, and so on, but lost it all in the "big blaze" so decided on a change of scenery and it seems the hounds are just "so be careful with them" i get a bit worried! I do appreciate all advice its just a matter of finding the right mixture of advice thats gonna work for my pups i guess!
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Yeah mate I know who your talking about, and yes he knows what he's talking about.
I myself listens to what he says too. coops |
Whippee go to the these links that i have added here: Greyhound Racing SA and download the policies and owner/trainer application forms you will require which will be the majority Greyhound Racing South Australia - Racing Policies and also Greyhound Racing South Australia - Application Forms
Then head over to this one Greyhound Racing Vic and download this material which you will definately need to get your head around and will be of great help to you http://www.grv.org.au/opencms/opencm...ck_Lvl1_v3.pdf and http://www.grv.org.au/opencms/opencm...ck_Lvl2_v3.pdf and also http://www.grv.org.au/opencms/export...ms/Unit_10.pdf. Jeepers talk about going in head first! didn't anyone tell you that you have to learn how to crawl before you can walk?? Good luck pal it's a great ride that you are about to embark on all the best. |
GALTY i also jumped into a shallow pool :D and the links you put up except S.A.. is where i "learnt" a bit :) but i guess we all started some where
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Willy yes we all have to start somewhere as you said what i am saying is that ownership/training of a greyhound is'nt something that you should jump into because you enjoy haveing a punt on them and watching them run around a track.
I started my venture back in mid 2003 funnily enough for the exact reasons that i have just stated the difference being that i contacted GRSA and spoke to the stewards there, received all the important relative information that i needed in regards to setting up my own syndicate which i did and then going out to a few trainers kennels and finding a trainer who i felt comfortable with and would also be willing to house and train a greyhound that i purchased. I found this way is a fantastic and practicle way of getting your feet wet in this industry, by doing this then you will definately get the behind the scenes experience and really find out if training a greyhound is what you really want to do and if you have the time to also put in to it. My syndicate has had extremely good luck with the greyhounds we have purchased over the recent years with them all paying for themselves plus topping up our bank account and haveing some good wins including the 2004 Strathalbyn Cup and the 2005 South Australian Sprint Championship at Angle Park. The syndicate that i started back in 2003 is still going now but nothing running around at present as last year we took the next step and got into breeding with our first litter of pups to Bombastic Shiraz now being 14 months and our brood has recently been inseminated again to Digital and due to whelp in 10 days time. As for myself i have again taken another step and just completed all the paperwork and running around to aquire my Owner/Trainer Licence which i am greatly looking forward to my next venture in the industry. Hope this all makes some practicle sense but this is a sure way that i would tell anyone to get into the industry with out as i said jumping in head first. Galty |
spot on GALTY! i wasnt a punter i actually trained and bred sheep/cattle dogs, which unfortunately i lost all that on a recent well known fire, including all dogs and pups right in front of me, I could not go back into that as you could imagine my reasons why, so a complete change was needed and being a dog lover i looked into greyhounds. I know that the 2 breeds and training styles are quite the opposite but they do have some similaritys (chase and run) also at the moment im only rearing my own pups to get the upper hand so to speak, and intend having them trained by someone else :D
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Spot on! That is exactly what all new owners should do, start out getting their feet wet first without jumping headlong into purchasing a young puppy/racedog lol Also, I've noticed that on Gdata sometimes overseas members offer feeding/training advice to Oz members, while it's all good, they have to remember that it's better for Oz members to listen to Oz trainers as there are different methods/practices which aren't suitable for Oz style racing dogs. Just my opinion, it's a free world and hey whatever suits/works for someone, stick to it! :D Looking at how they rear pups over in Ireland/England for example and how they train dogs, they have completely different feeding methods. (They call kibble, "nuts" as well lol I wonder why?) |
best advice i could give is get your hands on a copy of the book "Care of the Racing Greyhound" by greyhound vet Des Fegan, he has copys at his clinic im not sure of his number, but i do no grv have copys as well so you can call them, i think its around $70
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yep been chasing that book actually, so now i can hone in on where to get a copy thanks Nickg
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LILY was reading a post somewhere the other day and some thought the irish meant NUTS as in peanuts lol luckily i have half a brain and had figured it out,, what cracked me was "whole, crushed or ground nuts' Q :D
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Willy Wonka,
Nuts is also another name for... ahem... men's bits? lmao |
LILY um ah um well um :D
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Jeepers talk about going in head first! didn't anyone tell you that you have to learn how to crawl before you can walk??
fyi I did look into syndicates and nothing about them drew my interest. Why the hell would i want to stick my money at a dog and i have no personal attachment to. I am not interested in making money, its strictly a hobby and I want to have a crack at. And if for whatever reason my dog doesnt make the track, I still have a beatiful loving pet. So whats the harm in this? After all its better having this attitude than 7/8ths of the rest of the owners/trainers that put their dogs down quicker than you can shake a stick at. Most of these folks turnover huge numbers of animals and I think its bullshit. I have started reading this forum to gain some more valuable information from others folks and most here have been alot of help. so i dont need some asshole like you telling me to crawl before i walk. thank you much. |
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Anyhow thanks for all the replies willy. Hopefully we will be, cause i know we are part of a small portion of people who raise dogs in a nice environment, not like wild animals. btw i was at angle park the other night and spoke to a lady who had four hounds and raises them from her living room. she says she gets wins too. That was all i needed to hear |
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That isn't simply true. I would say that 90% are decent owner/trainers who care about their dogs' welfare, so that leaves 10% horrible people who are in it for the money and also breeding as many pups as they can just to find one elusive champ and shoot the rest. I also don't believe in high turnover, and I take in other people's unwanted slow/nonchasing dogs as well, I never buy greyhounds as I think there are already too many around that needs a patient trainer like me lol Part of the reason I still train the same 4 racedogs that I've had for the past 3 years, is that if I breed a litter, and keep any pups, I can't breed another litter until the pups have retired from racing and goes to the nice little yards for broodies (also a main reason why I like to keep and train bitches instead of dogs, as I would hate to have to put the dogs down when they finished racing, if I couldn't find a home for them), as at least with bitches I can breed with them eventually, at least the ones that I think will make it as a brood. I have two retired bitches inside the house with me right now, one has had a litter that have just finished breaking in; and one is just a pet, I wouldn't breed with her even though she won races as she isn't commerically viable to be able to sell pups. Turnover isn't high for me lol I bring in a new dog to train maybe every 3 years! Unless of course I build more kennels (currently in middle of building 4 extra kennels! whoo hoo) Many of the owners/trainers I know and speak to, absolutely love their dogs and many have a couple or few oldies pottering about their yards. |
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LILY, now i know where to send my dogs if they come up claggers, not that im saying you have claggers or anything :)
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Whippee, How absolutely disgusted i was to read your reply to me after going out of my way and providing links with valuable information for yourself in your endeavour to raise and train your greyhounds. You come on to this forum asking for any help that we can offer you and in return you label me an "ARSEHOLE".. How dare you even think about saying such a thing in your own mind let alone posting it on a forum for all to see, which are also owners/trainers who have already been where you are and all offering their "ADVICE" This industry that you are getting into is'nt that big when you look at it, what i mean by that is most owners/trainers in each state somewhere along the line either know each other or may have met and for you to have an unjustified outburst at me calling me an "ARSEHOLE" is'nt the smartest thing for anyone to say especially for someone who is just starting out in this wonderful industry. I for one will never again offer any advice to you, why anyone else after your disgraceful outburst on this forum would want to offer you any further advice also. Two other forum members replied to my post with the start of their own post saying "SPOT ON" so one can only assume that in your mind these forum members also who have given up their own time to respond to your requests for help and knowledge are unfortunately "ARSEHOLES" just like me because they agreed with what i said!!!! If for some reason you can't except advice or help from people, don't ask. |
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But in the beginning, when I first got my owner/trainer's licence, (I started out when I was 16) I got my first hound as a giveaway, his race name was Mersey Wonder (by Ding's Wonder) he was an ex Victorian who had about 40 starts for a win, was the world's slowest ever dog, however I got him going and he won 2 races for me, he was a doofus of a dog lol but such a hard trier and I learnt so much from training him. He even ran 3rd in a country graded final after winning his heat in the world's slowest time lol was lucky I guess, he had box 1 and got out in the lead for the first time in his life and hung on. He was my first winner and it was a great feeling! That's what new owner/trainers should do, don't ruin a potentially good pup/young dog, always start out with an old dog first, so that way, you can learn the ropes. An older dog can teach a novice trainer so much. My 2nd ever dog, I purchased with my money that I earned working as a vet assistant (I was 18 by then) was called Calm Cookie. I got him for $300, he was unfashionably bred by an unknown sire and a hopelessly slow dam, and he had already had 14 starts for 1 win and 2 placings when I bought him. He went on to win 7 races, 15 2nds and 14 3rds for me in 84 starts, was a pleasure to train. I had to put him down at age 5 years due to throat cancer.. broke my heart! He was still racing then, won his last race at age 4 half years old. From that point on, almost every giveaway that I got, all won for me even after people/top trainers told me that they couldn't get these dogs going and these dogs would never be any good. So to see them win, was always such a great feeling. All they needed was individual hands on TLC, not being in a huge kennel treated like a number. |
LILY, funny and good reading :D was gonna get a ready racer but it was the kid/s (got 1 and 1 on the way) i was a little worried about, and was thinking like whippee "dont make it, great pet" but 1 has now become 2 lol as i explained to whip in an earlier reply :) but now that i got them were having doubts all the way if we have made a huge mistake...but then the next day we think nup we wanted a complete change of enviroment after what we went through, a sort of pick me up i guess! and now that were "sort of homeless" it doesnt matter to us if we dont get vic class :rolleyes::rolleyes: were ready to move were we can get them a run :D its all a bit of a head spin really did not expect the time and care required with the hounds but im getting right into it now learning fast thanks to you and others on here and other forums (one jaime in particular has given me some wonderful advice and help, just a pity its a boxing ring :D ) but geez they bloody love you these dogs aye lol cant get off my ankles :)
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Well are'nt you looking for trouble with this statement, you have loaded the bullets in the gun and fired the bloody thing as well! Just wait until whippee reads this, i'm labeled an arsehole for giving him some advice and links to various information to help him and you come out with this. I hope you have your last will and testament all sorted out mate. LMAO |
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Jeepers talk about going in head first didn't anyone tell you that you have to learn how to crawl before you can walk
Good luck pal it's a great ride that you are about to embark on all the best......Whippee, a euphanism? a term? um i dont know what word it is im lookin for :) I would of thought buying a pup is learning to crawl ? well thats the way im looking at it anyway:D honestly dont think GALTY was being "critical" though. Im sure he would have a story or maybe even 2 of hard lessons learned :) |
thank you all for great reading re rearing/training pups i now feel i have the confidence to go buy a pup (looking at a regal thyme dog 5 mths 800)
so with the bosses(wife's ) blessing will go to see breeder on weekend thank you all |
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