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YUTHAPINABOY 12-20-2008 02:16 AM

Again thanks Dougie, Black Enforcer's, at face-value, impressive statistic is coming down slowly and Surf Lorian's comparable stat is going up. The latter is now just short of the 13% mark but that doesn't mean he will actually get there. Bombastic Shiraz who I like is only just the tiniest bit over 14%. It's all much too late now but "go Surf Lorian, get past 13% and head upwards".

Dougie 12-29-2008 06:25 PM

20 Leading Sires for 2008 as at 29 Dec 2008 (By Number of Wins)

1 HALLUCINATE
13639 -2315-1870-1793 16.97%
2 BIG DADDY COOL
11139 -1932-1629-1507 17.34%
3 ELITE STATE
12530 -1835-1893-1781 14.64%
4 BOMBASTIC SHIRAZ
12759 -1787-1761-1703 14.00%
5 COLLISION
10507 -1607-1500-1427 15.29%
6 PRIMO UNO
8997 -1310-1335-1220 14.56%
7 GO WILD TEDDY
9746 -1305-1276-1287 13.39%
8 BRETT LEE
7434 -1281-1053-929 17.23%
9 TOKEN PRINCE
9938 -1201-1311-1377 12.08%
10 BOND
6498 -1085-910-808 16.69%
11 SURF LORIAN
7998 -1035-1066-1143 12.94%
12 WHERES PEDRO
5513 -970-792-732 17.59%
13 MOST AWESOME
7577 -946-1068-1079 12.48%
14 SOLVE THE PUZZLE
5786 -851-856-787 14.07%
15 WHISKY ASSASSIN
4963 -766-687-665 15.43%
16 CARNAGE
4456 -660-595-532 14.81%
17 HISTORY LESSON
5069 -631-701-682 12.44%
18 BLACK ENFORCER
3096 -593-481-399 19.15%
19 PURE OCTANE
3085 -511-486-436 16.56%
20 JUST THE BEST
3777 -510-518-524 13.05%

YUTHAPINABOY 12-30-2008 02:41 PM

Surf Lorian has crept closer to the 13% mark but is still not there. With regard to my interest, it is all well and truly too late now but it would be comforting to see his figures improve. I was looking at the extended bloodlines of the relevant pups recently and although hardly surprsing, I was once again struck by the impact of Temlee on Australian breeding. Going back 5 generations (the line of 32), 60% of those dogs and bitches were either Temlee himself, by Temlee or by/out of a Temlee dog/bitch. To be honest I don't know one way or the other whether this a good, bad or indifferent thing. There were plenty of other multiple appearances such as but not only, via Waverley Supreme and Witche's Coven. Two previous matings for the brood bitch have been successful to the same stud dog but to be honest, I am thinking that this might be the almost inevitable "dud" litter. Not that they aren't nice pups, it is just that one starts to think that the luck (via the "nick") might have run out.

Dougie 12-30-2008 03:05 PM

Hey YUTHAPINABOY, I have 3 Litters on the ground.
Big Daddy Cool litter over 2.5 years old total wins so far 36
Hallucinate Litter 23 months old 1 win so far from 1st starter in litter more will be racing soon.
Fortified Rush litter 23 months old haven't raced yet due to being still very imature but going okay.

Overall Im very happy with way my broodie has thrown some very good winners so far 1 track record holder and a Group 3 finalist. 3 dogs have won in the city. 6 out 9 pups in the litter have won a race or more which is not bad. The sire i want to use next is by Surf lorian and cant wait until she comes on season next hopefully a little while longer. cheers Dougie :)

Morgan 12-30-2008 04:01 PM

Lets hope my surf lorian pup helps his winner percentages :)

YUTHAPINABOY 12-30-2008 11:39 PM

Dougie, what is it that makes you so anxious to use Surf Lorian? You will of course understand that I don't want to knock Surf Lorian, I want these pups to be even better than their older sibblings but the raw statistics do not paint a very positive picture. In not too many months time it won't matter if they are by Rin Tin Tin out of Lassie of course, it will only matter if they can run fast enough and do everything else right. However, I like to worry, it gives me something to think about. I would really be interested as to why you are thinking so positively about Surf Lorian, some extra-positive news would be good.

TheChook 12-31-2008 03:26 PM

Yut,

Dougie mentioned a son of SL - Think Slater is going to be one lucky boy when he gets his paws on the girl Dougie. She has been a top producer, but no surprise she was more than handy herself to say the least!

Dougie 01-02-2009 10:47 PM

20 Leading Sires for 2009 as at 02 Jan 2009 (By Number of Wins)
1 ELITE STATE
25 -7-2-3 28.00%
2 TOKEN PRINCE
29 -6-5-1 20.68%
3 WHERES PEDRO
21 -6-1-2 28.57%
4 BOND
36 -5-7-7 13.88%
5 BRETT LEE
22 -5-3-0 22.72%
6 PRIMO UNO
20 -5-2-2 25.00%
7 SOLVE THE PUZZLE
12 -5-0-0 41.66%
8 WHISKY ASSASSIN
17 -4-2-1 23.52%
9 HISTORY LESSON
9 -4-1-1 44.44%
10 BOMBASTIC SHIRAZ
33 -3-6-2 9.09%
11 COLLISION
21 -3-5-4 14.28%
12 MOST AWESOME
22 -3-2-7 13.63%
13 SURF LORIAN
26 -3-2-3 11.53%
14 HALLUCINATE
35 -2-7-5 5.71%
15 LANSLEY BALE
6 -2-2-0 33.33%
16 BLACK ENFORCER
12 -2-1-6 16.66%
17 BIG DADDY COOL
30 -2-1-5 6.66%
18 GO WILD TEDDY
23 -2-1-4 8.69%
19 BLACK CALEB
6 -2-1-2 33.33%
20 MODERN ASSASSIN
10 -2-0-1 20.00%

Morgan 01-02-2009 10:56 PM

This should be interesting, will be following these stats pretty closely this year.

Dougie 01-10-2009 01:22 AM

20 Leading Sires for 2009 as at 09 Jan 2009 (By Number of Wins)

1 ELITE STATE
256 -50-28-33 19.53%
2 BIG DADDY COOL
250 -47-36-46 18.08%
3 PRIMO UNO
221 -45-24-30 20.36%
4 BOND
266 -37-45-31 13.09%
5 WHERES PEDRO
186 -37-22-20 19.89%
6 COLLISION
227 -33-42-31 14.53%
7 BRETT LEE
141 -31-23-9 21.98%
8 HALLUCINATE
270 -28-41-25 10.37%
9 SURF LORIAN
222 -27-26-40 12.16%
10 BOMBASTIC SHIRAZ
272 -24-40-36 8.82%
11 SOLVE THE PUZZLE
100 -23-11-8 23.00%
12 PURE OCTANE
158 -20-29-17 12.65%
13 MOST AWESOME
138 -20-15-25 14.49%
14 TOKEN PRINCE
122 -18-11-16 14.75%
15 GO WILD TEDDY
154 -17-14-26 11.03%
16 HISTORY LESSON
88 -17-7-15 19.31%
17 WHISKY ASSASSIN
109 -13-16-11 11.92%
18 PREMIER FANTASY
70 -13-13-12 18.57%
19 OVER FLO
68 -13-10-11 19.11%
20 BLACK ENFORCER
95 -12-14-16 12.63%


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