Graeme Bate Caught Again with Procaine
 

for the second time within 11 months GB has been caught with procaine and receieved a 4k fine now if it was in his meat it makes you wonder if he changed suppliers the first time it occurred because some of these knackeries in victoria are processing horses ,cows etc that in some cases have been dead for a few days what are your thoughts about this 2nd swab:confused::confused: cheers chub.

Well my thoughts chub mate is, I bet GB is pissed off getting caught again. Here in NSW you get a lengthy holiday for getting done twice. To get a fine of $4k there must have been conclusive evidence to suggest that he was guilty of the offense again.
Anyway good to see he got away with just a fine.

coops

yes coops now they have set the precedent if any trainer in victoria now gets 2 positive swabs to procaine within a year they cant very well suspend them based on this latest business cheers chub.

Anyway good to see he got away with just a fine.



How can you see that as being a good thing?

Kyleigh, he's a nice bloke and one of the top trainers and he pleaded guilty to the charge just in good faith. He can afford the $4k no worries. He'll make that tonight at the races with one of his super (Souped) dogs You can't go baggin the bloke coz he gets caught with his finger in the pie now and again. He's just trying to make a living you know! Personally, I like GB, coz he experiments. Ya can't knock a bloke for that.

coops

experiments with what? poppy seeds??

i can deal with the whole procaine situation, simply because it is a known fact its a product used on downer cows etc etc where there is non regualted human meat involved there is always a chance

Its more so the fact that any small trainer would of got time for the first offence yet this is how many for him?? yet there is only a fine?

there seems to be 2 sets of rules, 1 for leading trainers and one for the rest

so im guessing you no him coops??

yes well thats the way it goes small trainer cops all the shit big trainers get away with it and procaine may only be their to mask something else 2 positives to procaine i would be changing my meat supplier and the ptb dont want to do anything as ive said on other forums and here take blood and you may find that there is more to winning than meets the eye but the dogs cant say no can they cheers chub

i guess the other way to look at it is he has 3566435050403 dog to feed thats alot of meat per week, per month per year, he is bound to come across dodgy meat. i no we cop it here and there with meat that makes the dogs shit through the eye of a needle, thats a small scale so imadgin that when you have 80 plus dogs in work

OMG, a nice guy really? Well I for one would beg to differ, these are the guys that should be made a precedent of, the big guys, he makes more than a living FYI, he didn't plead guilty at all, he was FOUND guilty, he pleaded otherwise, a mate of mine got done, small trainer first time she had ever been in any kind of trouble, it was from the meat and she proved that it was, but as she stated the rule says present a drug free dog and I failed to do so, not by choice but still fail, she got a 3 month holiday, how is that fair??

well when i buy meat i ask is it shot an bled. there anwser is yes , so if i get apositive from meat ,an my dogs sh--t through an eye of a needle i be taken court action. with out a dout.

cheyenne,Get a written statement from your meat supplier to the fact that he only supplies drug free meat. (But don't get upset with him if tells you piss off.)
Then you can take court action if you can prove that he intentionly supplied you bad meat.


coops

what has being shot and bled got to do with procaine?
do you no what procaine is and how it gets in the system?

its not a bacteria it wouldnt matter if the cow walked on hot coals, drowned, bunge jumped etc etc

court action will get you no where at all, the seller is the middle man he buys it from a knackery, he has no way himself of knowing what it contains unless he slaughters his own meat.

as for shitting through the eye of a needle, have you never had a dog with diarhea?? there is always a chance you will get an off batch of meat, dosnt mean it contains anything of worry, its just a bad batch of meat, simple.

so youd take court action if you dog has diareha from meat??

hmmmm

hope i never race agaisnt you, might end up in court if my dog checks yours :)

well as long as these knackeries on the mainland keep putting all sorts of meat and preservatives through the people using this meat will find that their dogs get the shits and trainers will get pinged for presenting dogs not free of drugs except for the money side why would they process carcasses that have been dead for days and mix it with some good stuff well it should be enforced there as in tassy any animal that dies is not allowed to leave the property it must be buried or burnt and the penalties are quite severe and if enforced in all states it may lessen the occurrence of positives from meat but then again some of these swabs are not in the meat but administerd by trainers and blamed on the meat cheers chub.

what is the witholding period for procaine?

i no a guy who took a dog to the vet, procaine was used got swabbed 2 weeks later and returned a positive to procaine and dexamethasone, i no this bloke dosnt have a dodgy bone in his body

i like what tassie do it the regards to dead animals leaving the property, is that not nation wide? if not why?

i dont think its a nation wide thing re disposal of dead livestock/horses but it should be and i dont know the witholding period for procaine but if you ring sandown clinic they have a book on witholding periods etc and ive no doubt procaine would be in the book cheers chub.

well, I buy my meat from a slaughter yard, so we generally know what is in it, plus we also get calls for cows horses etc that have gone down, which we will collect slaughter and bleed ourselves, but the meat goes to our puppies never anywhere near our race dogs, simply because in a last ditch effort farmers will give cows a massive shot of penicillin (procain) just to see if it can get threw it, same as in milk, milking cows are given penicillian every 5 weeks just to make sure they have no infections, so if you buy milk from a dairy you should always ask when they are given their shots, it is easy to be caught out if you arent careful

well when cows are shot an bled the meat is fresh am u wont get the eye of needle affect.

yes cheyene thats spot on but most people in greyhounds cant afford to ask questions or buy good meat for their dogs most just buy reasonably priced knackery meat ????? and whatever goes with it and then roll the dice will it be me with the next positive swab cheers chub

Hey cheyenne. Do you shave?

coops

no coops but i tell u this , when u shoot an bleed a cow the procaine drains from cows body because its in the blood. an flows out of the meat an donest comtaminate the meat.

ummm isnt procaine injected into the muscle?

regardless of how well you drain the animal there will still be traces in the meat in particular the area it was injected into

Procaine isnt injected into a vain so it is not just contained in the blood system

I have to agree with nick and the drug they give them starts with k and I can't fir the life of me remember it so I'll get back to u on that one, but that is the drug peopleget done for, u hardly ever get done for procain from meat not because of the way it's bled because of the quantity not being enough to go thru the meat with high readings

WOW you mean we agree?

like believe the same thing?

WOW is all i can say

Are you thinking of ketamine?

Yup that's it, that's the last ditch drug they give livestock, there was one meat place in Vic that alot of people used and there was 5 positives from digs eating that meat all the same drug.


I know nick shock horror lol dont get used to it ;)

cheyenne, do you shave under yer arms?

coops

i also no a few humans who dont mind abit of ketmaine either lol

you never no we might agree on more then you think :P

if she/he says yes you will be in love again lol

It's a he so one would imagine not

We may do nick lmao, I'd never let u know tho

nickg do mean they inject in the mussel thats only way u get a reading. because they have to give acow at least 100mill to cotaminate meat.

no i ment they inject into the muscle

not the mussel, they wouldnt be able to get the shell open to get the needle in :)

part from that i dont get what your saying, sorry

ill remind you tonight, about 8pm

time to join me and be rite aswell, all the time :P

If they give a cow 100mils, how much would be needed for a Alpaca?:D

Oh and cheyenne, if you shave your legs, your sick.

coops

coops dont shave my legs, but do u ride a motor bike.

What type?

coops

Fellow forum members listen up to what I'm about to say!

I have a mate called Pav, a new member to these forums. Now don't go filling him up with all your bullsh*t, just leave that to me.
His knowledge of greyhound can'not be surpassed by anyone. (Except me ofcourse) So if you see him on the forum be nice to him for a while till he gets used to us all. Then when he is settled in we'll get him big time. OK?

coops

mmm pav im craving some pavlova now.

I wouldnt get too wound up about G Bate getting caught his team have had a advantage(not training wise) for decades

Well his team was very unsuccessful here yesterday, not one thru to the dev cup not as easy as they think to knock our fellas off

Good to see, I hope a local wins it!! Although there were only B grade vics in the heats to be honest.