thanks gippy i think i have missled you i am the owner/trainer all the comments i have been making is suggestions from other people robert from kilcoyne said to hand slip app 200 mtrs twice at the short thirlmere track this sunday if ok by checker then out of boxes then a month off spud is going to garry barnsley to day after i finish work to be checked then to vets tomorrow for worming has had a hydro bath when he came home but reading what you just said this does not seem like a good idea. do pups forget if left too long after education on how to jump and chase ther is so much i need to learn help help help billy bones

WHEN I SAID TWICE OVER 200MTRS THEN OUT OF BOXES I MENT OVER A THREE WEEK PERIOD. i dont know much about breaking in centres but kilcoyne is very small complex 100mtr track when i first took pup there robert said his job was simply to educate the dog to chase relaxe in boxes and come out of boxes correctly then the real trials were up to me so i dont know how much stress was put on pup maybe some one out there knows a bit more about kilcoyne methods i will ask garry barnsley to night and be guided by him as i will by gippy and all other trainers on this site regards billy bones

Sorry mate I misread your post!!! sounds like your on the job, good luck with him!!

zo kay friend