My Dog
 

It's been a while since my mate Sinka went to heaven and left me with a heavy heart. Since then, along came a young bitch (BESS) who has filled his spot. I have broken her in and has no ability whatsoever, but she is having her first race tomorrow. But you never know she might do ok.


coops

On the basis of what you have written Coops, Bess may need a miracle for her to win. I hope the miracle happens at Appin tomorrow. It is only 274, you never know. Good luck, have a good day. It is at least 25 years since I have been to Appin dogs. It had 15 or so bookies then betting on the dogs. Maybe they don't even have one now.

best of luck coops run bess run just one good run means the world

hi coops just wondering what sort of time they run the 274 at appin

Coops, I am sorry the bitch did not go any good today at Appin. I did notice that the SP totalled 185%. Gee this is making it difficult.
JR44, Coops will give you a more precise answer (I have to go now, my wife has instructed me to go to the shop with her so that I can carry home the purchases - that's all I am, a bloody "packhorse" or would a "donkey" would be more to the point). Anyway, let me say that it seems your dog, depending on the conditions of course, needs to be breaking 16.0 to be go what I would call we. In Coops race today they went 16.21, 25 years ago a handy run but these days pretty ordinary I think. Ooops the misses has the whip out.

is appin a straight track or what sorry for the question just learning went to watch my dog trial today for the first time and i am hooked already looking for another dog lol i love it

JR44, Appin is a straight track, the only one left in NSW. Wyong closed down a few years ago. Back in the 1960s Richmond was a straight and also there was a straight track at Wellington and probably one or more other places of which I was not aware in my greyhound industry formative years. Appin was used only as a trial track for many years despite vigorous efforts to have it approved as a proper race track. Around the early to mid1970s it was approved as a race track. I first raced there in 1977 winning on the very first attempt (at 8/1). It was exciting, he won by a nose. I found it to be a really good afternoon in those days (on my very occasional visits, I lived more than 200 kms away), it even had a little tote going that seemed to be pretty well patronised. I loved straight racing, it had a bit of what I thought would have been the carnival atmosphere of the much older days. I wish it was possible for you and others to still experience the excitement of those days, it is so different now, sterile. OK I have been a raving idiot for the last few minutes, now back to the question. It is a straight, still grass I expect, up a gradual incline. I believe the distances are 274 and 350 or so. The hare I expect still runs up the centre of the track as compared to Healesville in Victoria where it is a side arm (right hand side of course). The incline makes a distinct difference compared to if it was flat as Wyong was, particularly over the longer distance. In that I have not been there for more than 25 years Coops can provide you with the current story.

Appin is a straight track. Distances are , 274 and 366 mtrs. 16.00 sec is about what you would want to trial for the 274 and 21.00 for the 366. If you have a dog that betters these times then you have a very handy dog. If you have a dog that can run 15.50 then you have a good dog. There are many people that trial at Appin to get there dogs fit and to balance young dogs who are just starting to race. But don't worry if your dog doesn't run anywhere near those time up the straight because it may not suit them.

My mates dog runs no better than 22.00 over the 366 mtrs there, but is lightining on the circle.

Anyway jr44, go and get yourself a dog and have some fun.

Can't break 22.0 and is lightning on the circle ??? Heavens Coops that is extraordinary as 22.0 is awful.

By the way, jr44, I endorse Coops' advice. If your circumstances (including financial) allow you to have one or two dogs as a hobby, then it is a great hobby. Tends to become all consuming and once you are bitten by the "dog flea", you will be addicted, as I have been for the best part of 50 years (I have a small share in only one dog these days and that is the first one for 20 years but the addiction has continued to always be there). Furthermore, if you live in reasonable close proximity to Appin, then racing your dogs at Appin would in my view be a great hobby and if you had one that was more suitable to the circle, then that's good also, particularly in that it is where there is much more scope for recouping some expenses. Good luck jr44.

jr44, I must warn you though. Having a dog makes you worry a lot. Makes you anxious and very nervous. Why do i say that! Well mate I'm sitting here going through the tracks that are racing next week so i can nominate my dog. When i felt a little dizzy. So I took my blood pressure reading about 3 minutes ago and it read 228/130. I took it again and got the same reading. I really don't think that is good.

coops

Heavens Coops, what are you like on race day? The one that should be worried is that bitch of yours, Star Lifter. If she does not "get a move on", she might have something to worry about. She can't just depend on your good nature.

i actually live in tassie but my dog has been trialing over 278 metres at launceston just trying to compare things i dont train the dog i have a m8 who does that went to my first trial the other day m8 i was so pumped lol

lol gee Coops, that is a bloody high reading! I think you need to take up knitting or something to relax you lol

My blood pressure is usually in the 80-90/110-120 range ;-) just being around the dogs calms me down. Im always on the go and hyper but when I pat a dog, boy, do I feel sleepy ;-)


Actually I had the same dilemma as you today. Trying to plan where to race next week after a good night last Friday night with 2 winners and 3 placings.

Took me about half an hour to work out where I will go. I won't say where just in case you guys follow me around lol
The only way you'll find out is after box draw ;-)

Uh huh here comes my house pet Tasha ("Venus Express" now a proven dam!) nooooo nooooo... please stop me from patting and cuddling her!!
Too late... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzz

There you go Coops, Lily has the answer for you, her blood pressure is pretty good, better than mine but I am a senior. As all you need to do is pat Star Lifter a lot and if she is not around find something else soft and furry to pat.

there is an easy soulition to it coops i have never taken a blood pressure so there fore i dont have any lol lol lol
i know what you mean about getting nervous a few on the finals we have made i had to get some one else to take the dog out esp. the first one i ever made shaking like a leaf

but really is there a better feeling than when your charge crosses the line first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coops' missus won't appreciate that remark lol

No way, to savage.

coops

Just got back from vets. Found broken fibular bone. I checked her the day before her race and all was ok. Now has this injury after her race. Could have done it in the race or in the catching pen when she pulled up. I'm not looking for excuses coz I know she's not fast on the straight tracks. The best she's done there is 16.55 and she got beat in 16.21
Anyway, got to fix her now and get her back on the track. About 3 weeks off I'd say.

coops

No good Coops, sorry to read this. "3 weeks", sounds very soon to be back on the track. I hurt my little finger (left hand) several months back breaking up a fight at the local club between two 20 something year olds and it is still buggered. However, Star Lifter is probably a bit tougher than me, wouldn't be hard. Your vet of course knows best, certainly better than me. Good luck with her.

Sorry, should have said 3 weeks off then 3 weeks to get her back in shape.

coops

Coops, fibula problems are one of the common causes for dogs losing form, or running ordinary for a long time, as most mm don't check the fibula very carefully.

There's always a dog racing with an undetected cracked fibula and then one day it breaks a leg.

Always so important to go over the fibula area after each run as it can get tender.

Take it slowly with Bess, Coops, 3 weeks is about right, no earlier, keep on lead and apply bone radiol to the area.

She'll be right as rain.

There's not much you don't know LILY, and here's another example. Thankyou.

coops

What Lily has said makes me wonder about one particular bitch I know well who has gone from potential city class greyhound (she has won at Sandown but only a Weds meeting) to performing very poorly on country tracks. Of course it could be any one or more of a lot of things but I am wondering. Wish I could interfere to at least cross "fibula" off the list but she's not mine so I certainly can't interfere.

Yep could be a problem Yutha mate. I check my own dogs and if I feel that there is something there, I get her checked by Garry Barnsey. I checked her last night and found her to be sore around the hock area, so i took her to Garry and he found the broken fibular. He told me about the 3 week on lead bit and that was confirmed by LILY. he told me that it is common and she should mend easily. I am using Penatrine linament at the moment twice daily, but I see that LILY recommends Bone Radiol.

coops

*blushes* thanks boys ;-)

Coops, Penetrene is only for muscle injuries, so is practically useless on bone injuries.

Actually there is something you can read about those kind of stress fractures and what causes it, how to reduce the severity of the injury etc...check out the link below:

http://surgery.acvsc.org.au/surgery_...greyhounds.pdf

coops penetrine is no good, its for muscle sorness and wont help at all

as lilly suggested bone radial, but it maybe better to use in a week or so as its broken fiubla not just a fracture

make up a brew of blestre and apply every 3 days, after the 3rd time take the dog back to the muscle man and get the fibula checked, if its showing signs of healing then bone raidal will do the job from there, if still needs more another couple of of aplications wont hurt!! The dog wont be happy and you will be in the bad books as the blestre sends them crazy, but it will fix the problem up and he will be up and going before you no it.

best tip if you do youse blistre, keep the dog on a lead and just walk it up and down your back yard for 10-15mins, keep it moving...but it back in the kennel and it will tear the place apart

Thanks Nick. Ok no more penetrine. Bone Radiol as it is a fracture not broken. Checked it this morning after 20 minutes walk and appears to be swelling around the fracture. Will not walk her for a couple of days just an empty out. Don't know wether to keep the Bone Radiol up due to the swelling. Might make it worse.

coops

Leave off the bone radiol until the swelling has gone down, Coops.

Give it a week for Mother Nature to heal by herself, as she is the best ;-)

Where are ya Nick?

Hey mate, seeing that you are all knowlege in the art of breeding greyhounds.
I ave a question for ya.

it looks like my bitch can't run out of sight on a dark night, so I have decieded to breed from her. What do you reckon about putting her to Bush Legend?
She is by Hallucinate X Just Like Alice.

Oh, one other thing. Is it better to let the dog jump her or go for the frozen stuff?

The love of my life, Lilyflowerandroxy says I'm an Idiot. But I forgive her coz she's a woman. Ouch, ouch, stop, I'm sorry my precious.

coops

coops i reckon ill be going down the same line as lily here as suggest your an idiot lol

breeding is my weak area, BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT bush legend is a 4th grader sire, if you have 12 pups, what are you going to do??? you will have to pay people to take them, youd struggle to give them away mate...

say you keep 4 pups, look at it this way.... straw, whelp them down, rear to 12 months, break in, pre train, paper work, vet bills etc thats $12k+... then if there no good at all??? but your spending $500 on a sire????

id struggle to suggest breed with her if she has no abilty but if your willing to take the risk go to a top line sire, $500 for bush legend= $12k to get to racing age, not a well known sire, hasnt thrown anything...say you go to wheres pedro or something similar, $13.5k to get to racing age, the sire has thrown group winners and lots of top city class dogs...if your willing to spend 12k on as you say a bitch with no abilty to a sire with not much to date on the ground, then youd be crazy not to spemd amother $1500 and upgrade the sire to the best you can get which fits her line...

Its a mistake alot make, it costs the same to whelp, rear, break in, feed a litter to brett lee but people down grade on the sire to save $1500 now, but in the long run your still spending 12k plus, so whats the extra $1500

as i said i couldnt suggest to you breed her if she has no abilty what so ever, but if you want to take the risk go to a top sire, atleast if she has 12 you can sell a few for $500, but like i said going to a no name sire means you wont be able to give them away

depends, alot of sires these days are all frozen.. i prefer frozen, natruall to me is soooo 1990s, but thats my opinion

Thanks Nick. You do make sense about who to put her with. What you have said has been taken on board and I do need to rethink about the whole situation.

I hate it when Lily's right. She will be wrong one day.LOL

Thanks again Nick.

coops

she is a women coops so don'texpect her to admit to it when she is wrong lol

Ouch jr44, come here so I can slap you ;-P

Coops, my little cinnamon bread, I do hope you have a rethink, as tempting as it is to breed your very own litter of pups, with the current situation in the industry at the moment, you really need to have a lot of money saved up if you are going to breed a slow maiden to a cheap stud dog (even though I love Bush Legend) instead of going to a group winning city record breaking proven sire of group dogs. Nickg is absolutely spot on with his assessment in what happens if she has a large litter? you'd struggle to give the pups away.

I'm so sorry to shatter your dreams and illusions of breeding your own champions, Coops my chocolate muffin ;-)

P.S I'd go NATURAL or AI anytime over FSI for the bitches, as it is so bloody unnatural for the poor bitches to suffer having an operation instead of being cuddled by a virile stud dog.

So many studmasters these days are looking for big bucks which is why they prefer to sell FS and the vets are even happier taking your money doing FSI.

The days of honest genuine studmasters willing to do natural/ai services seems to have gone...

dont any of u use DSMO anymore?

Dodger

Huh? What's DSMO got to do with breeding?

Yes we used to use DSMO roll on ages ago but it shows up as a positive swab, can last over a week in the system, most trainers nowadays use the newer dimethylsulphoxide in a plain bottle.

Agree 100% Lily!!! However I'm just about to go through the process of having my Bitch inseminated with FS, studmasters have you bent over the barrel sometimes, its either FS or sorry we can't help!! If you ask me the Vets are the BIG winners, they charge the studmasters to "milk" the sire and then store the Gear and then the breeder to inseminate the bitch!!
Coops I tend to agree with Lily and Nick about your decision to breed with your bitch, however as I think I have previously stated on this Forum the best two greyhounds I have been associated with, one was out of a non-chaser who never made the track( she won a SYD cup) and the other was out of a snail who won 1 race ( she won 18 races inc a Meadows FFA) so sometimes ability can skip a genaration as both mothers were out of solid race winning damlines. If you have the ability and $ to rear the litter well and give them every possible chance to reach their potential then why not? But as a commercial venture it may be a disaster as pointed out as you might get stuck with more pups than you bargained for and suddenly your resources become stretched and the pups don't get the required care!
In summary if your prepared to keep the lot go to Bush Legend, if you want to sell some go to the best Dog you can afford! This all just MY opinion.
PS Lily and Coops since when has this site become a PICK-UP or Lonely Hearts site???:D:D:D

I agree with what you say gippy apart from your last line... I.e best sire you can afford, if you can't afford to go to the best sire you possible can then your going to get into alot of trouble down the track money wise, when it comes to selecting sires price shouldn't matter, one exception maybe Brett lee., I've heard people say ohh I wanted to go to surf lorian but went to runs house to save $700, in 18 months time that $700 is only a small % of what you have spent..

don't let money decided what sire you go to, if you can't afford it don't breed or find a breeding deal cause in the long run it will cost the same

Thanks guys. all seems good in what you are both saying. All these questions that i'm asking is getting ready for when she comes on season. She has never been on season before and now she is nearly two year old, she must be getting close.
Crickey, you guys are scaring me with all the dollars in breeding pups.
That breeding deal your talking about Nick. How does that work?

Gippy, be quiet will ya. your crampin me style mate. I've nearly got her.

Don't listen to Gippy my cream bun, he's only jealous.

coops