Dougie, I have no reason to push the Slater barrow but I am in accord with you re the "baggers", in fact, I usually love to see the baggers eat humble pie as in most cases they are just a lot of dumb arses who like nothing better than to heap you know what on any sire who happens to produce a few non chasers or whatever, as if producing a non chaser or two or three is so uncommon. However, there really is no sire out there that excites me much. I have asked about Collision one or more times but no one seems to have any special opinion about him. I expect he does not give you much more chance of producing a good litter than any one of many other sires.