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Kyleigh 10-15-2010 01:17 AM

Another Track Record For Damek
 
A big congrats to Pete & June Phillips and Eileen & Ian Thompson and especially Damek for his track record tonight in Hobart 25.85, would loved to have seen how much quicker he would have went if he had of jumped like he normally does, was an awesome run!

chub 10-15-2010 04:55 AM

yes great effort by "ARCHIE" and his connections TR's now at l/ton and hobart cheers chub

Gippy 10-15-2010 09:05 AM

Is it true that they knocked back $100,000 for him some time back?? I would love to see him come back over to the mainland and see if he can mix it with the big boys, when you look at the TOPGUN field I can't see how he didn't get a gig in it?? Obviously a super quick animal but lets be honest he is wasting his time staying in Tassie, its their dog I know but it would be a pity to see him win 40-50 races at only 3 tracks, the world would be at his feet over here!! Just my humble opinion!!

penny 10-15-2010 05:05 PM

he damek has failed to fire imo only because he hasnt had time to settle before racing were he to be taken over and settle then race well it may well be he will measure up over there but i dont think connections are in a hurry to try they are having great times with him in tassy .

Kyleigh 10-15-2010 09:54 PM

they sure are having a ball with him, having a ball with the whole litter in fact..I am just glad to see a tassie bred dog holding the track titles now, I have no doubt they will send him back there eventually, but I dont think they really have any need at the moment there are more feature races coming up in tas that I am sure they would love his name on ;)

cheyenne 10-17-2010 06:46 PM

yes i hope he wins the hobart thousand. an then come across for the australian cup, a least three weeks before the heats. i 2 hours out of melbourne mr an mrs thomas are welcome to stay if they wont a kennel an bed.

Kyleigh 10-17-2010 07:30 PM

lol well I hope he doesnt win the hobart thousand, we would like to notch that one up ;)

Gippy 10-18-2010 09:15 AM

If El Grand Senor comes over for the Thousand then Damek will have his work cut out!!! Senor is blistering over 450m.

Kyleigh 10-18-2010 03:20 PM

the up hill run home at hobart stuffs alot of the mainlanders up tho, they look at times over 460 and think it is slow here but it isnt

loverr !!! 10-18-2010 03:49 PM

Keen to watch this dog tomorrow at devonport !

Kyleigh 11-18-2010 09:17 PM

And another!! 25.79 just clocked in Hobart, he just loves to run. A big Congrats again

Gippy 11-19-2010 10:58 AM

The racing career of a dog is only short I hope he dosn't waist it, in my opinion these records are a bit soft as he has NO opposition in Tas but they are records non the less!! Last night he ran around for about $1400 and grade 5 in melb is worth $4000!! If the Senor does come over for the Thousand I reckon he will give Damek windburn, they have had similar amount of starts now I think and EGS has earned bout $400,000 an Damek only about 50k!!!! I'm not knocking the dog at all I just think that if he wants to stay in Tassie and keep beating moderate opp. then he will never gain the respect of the greater greyhound community?? He just maybe a once in a lifetime dog!! If a dog like Magpie Lomar can come over a be a good city dog then I'm sure Damek could!!

chub 11-19-2010 07:27 PM

well damek and whoever comes will make the longest running feature race in australia full of interest this year cheers chub.

Kyleigh 11-19-2010 08:02 PM

Sadly as far as I know EGS isnt coming for the thousand, I really hope that changes, sorry gippy have to disagree there mate, I reckon the windburned would be the other way around, hopefully he does go back to Vic, would be good to let the paws doing the talking so all the knockers can leave him alone

penny 11-20-2010 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gippy (Post 18577)
The racing career of a dog is only short I hope he dosn't waist it, in my opinion these records are a bit soft as he has NO opposition in Tas but they are records non the less!! Last night he ran around for about $1400 and grade 5 in melb is worth $4000!! If the Senor does come over for the Thousand I reckon he will give Damek windburn, they have had similar amount of starts now I think and EGS has earned bout $400,000 an Damek only about 50k!!!! I'm not knocking the dog at all I just think that if he wants to stay in Tassie and keep beating moderate opp. then he will never gain the respect of the greater greyhound community?? He just maybe a once in a lifetime dog!! If a dog like Magpie Lomar can come over a be a good city dog then I'm sure Damek could!!

magpie lomar was bred on the mainland went to tassie and won some good races and went back to mainland to win more races and why does every good dog from anywhere have to be compared to victorian standards wherever you race you can only race against what you are drawn in and they in most cases are not MODERATE dogs if you go by your statement egs is only beating the same dogs every time but are they moderate opposition i think not ,

Kyleigh 11-20-2010 12:46 PM

The point was penny magpie lomar started his racing career here with a big bang and he fizzled just as quick, now 12 months later he is being a decent dog over there after being sacked, don't get me wrong no disrespect to Nathan or patch but I think that was the point gippy was trying to make, he is nowhere near the standard of Damek so if he can do it, I am sure Damek can, please correct me if I am wrong gippy?

chub 11-20-2010 02:06 PM

i agree with penny in the aspect of along comes a good dog from another state other than vic and straight away its got to go and race in VIC against such and such to be any good
well damek is a GOOD dog and if he goes again and settles in he may well prove how good he is at least he left his home state to try on the mainland and yes he didnt have success
but why hasnt el grand senor gone racing out of victoria oh i know he;s winning his races in vic so does that mean he may not succeed if he goes to another state hmmmm food for thought cheers chub. ????

nickg 11-20-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chub (Post 18602)
i agree with penny in the aspect of along comes a good dog from another state other than vic and straight away its got to go and race in VIC against such and such to be any good
well damek is a GOOD dog and if he goes again and settles in he may well prove how good he is at least he left his home state to try on the mainland and yes he didnt have success
but why hasnt el grand senor gone racing out of victoria oh i know he;s winning his races in vic so does that mean he may not succeed if he goes to another state hmmmm food for thought cheers chub. ????

why would you, he has won 2 group 1s in his home state and 400k in prizmoney mind you 2 of the big 3 group 1s they where aswell

do you really think he would travel to tassie for a grade 5 and $1000?

not sure why he isnt going over for the thousand would of been very interesting, but to date the dog has been placed perfectly and trained perfectly

chub 11-20-2010 08:04 PM

there you go did i mention tassie no he wont leave vic too comfortable beating the dogs at home and a dog like dashing corsair has travelled and been beat and beat the best but im afraid egs is bound to stay in vic pity really for i reckon he might ?? match it with the good dogs in other states but we will never know cheers chub.

penny 11-20-2010 08:26 PM

when egs breaks the stakemoney record imo he will go straight to stud and start off at about $2000 to start wit.

Kyleigh 11-20-2010 08:50 PM

Hmmm really I don't think it matters if u really know your dogs u would be mad to not use Damek as a stud just because he hasnt won in Vic I would and will be using him when he gies to stud, doesn't matter what way u look at it the dog is bloody fast and broken 4 track records thus far, good enough for me, track records hold more ground than group 1 win IMO

nickg 11-21-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyleigh (Post 18607)
Hmmm really I don't think it matters if u really know your dogs u would be mad to not use Damek as a stud just because he hasnt won in Vic I would and will be using him when he gies to stud, doesn't matter what way u look at it the dog is bloody fast and broken 4 track records thus far, good enough for me, track records hold more ground than group 1 win IMO

so a tassies track record means more then winning a melbourne cup?

are you for real? bahahahaha

tassie is as weak as it has ever been, ask the top tassie trainers and they will tell you that

whilst damek is a bloody good dog it is like chalk and cheese


whilst egs hasnt travelled interstate he has won group 1 races agaisnt the best dogs

damkek has broke track records agaisnt 5th graders, you race on what 3 tracks there? apart from the top 5 or so dogs there isnt much to beat

when damek has raced in melbourne he hasnt done a thing, granted i dont think it was ideal he was bought over race day and im not knocking the trainer but to blame travel arangements is dribble, scr him get 10 days instead of racing him when he hasnt travelled over at the last minute to well.

track records means jack if there not at the major 3 or 4 tracks in aus, whilst he might do well in tassie at stud in australia he needs to win on the mainland to attract people from other states and he must win in fast time or win a group 1

remember goodsey, simillar story to damek at this stage, very fast dog but didnt do it against the best and his numbers at stud have been very low

forget egs has only raced in vic, he has won 2 of the 3 big group 1s in aus, thats enough for a stud career in anyones language

you ask why he isnt coming over for the thousand, why didnt damek come over for the melbourne cup heats?????????


both dogs are as fast as an dog going around, id love to see them race even better id love to see a club put on a match race, but i have never seen a dog do what egs has done to the 2nd mark at the meadows, ive seen many many many good dogs trial and race there but his times are mind blowing, he breaks dogs hearts...

chub 11-21-2010 06:49 AM

how many track records has egs got ????????? cheers chub

penny 11-21-2010 10:30 AM

egs has a great record 15 starts on country tracks for 12 w 2s +1 5th in the city14 starts for 11 w 1 s +2 4ths and $402,125 in stakemoney according to E DOG but no track records as yet only sectional split records it will be interesting to see how long he continues to race before retiring to stud.

chub 11-21-2010 12:36 PM

not denying that he is a good dog and i will say damek is a good dog and yes we have only three tracks here in tassy and vic has 12 and their spending millions on them to keep some of those country tracks going when it could be going towards even better prizemoney the majority of o/t in tassie are happy racing on those tracks and to say damek broke tr against moderate opposition he still done it against 7 other dogs and yet egs with brilliant 1+2 sectionals in 29 starts hasnt equalled or broke a tr a lot like el galo uses it all up in the first 400 whereas damek is still strong at the end of his races. cheers chub.

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 01:36 PM

No one is knocking EGS tho, but likewise he has done the same there as Damek has here, stayed in there own state, in all honesty Hobart would break EGS's heart, the dog is very fast for the first 400 like chub said but the uphill run home at Hobart us a killer, and that's where he would be past, cause he uses it all up early

There is no way u can compare damek to goodesy, Damek is honest, goodesy is a nonnie, if he doesnt lead he gives up, Damek was basically sat on his face, got himself together and still won by lengths

nickg 11-21-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chub (Post 18615)
not denying that he is a good dog and i will say damek is a good dog and yes we have only three tracks here in tassy and vic has 12 and their spending millions on them to keep some of those country tracks going when it could be going towards even better prizemoney the majority of o/t in tassie are happy racing on those tracks and to say damek broke tr against moderate opposition he still done it against 7 other dogs and yet egs with brilliant 1+2 sectionals in 29 starts hasnt equalled or broke a tr a lot like el galo uses it all up in the first 400 whereas damek is still strong at the end of his races. cheers chub.

that comes back to eary speed wins races on 99% of tracks aus wide, so to say eg and egs use it all up early well it won them plenty hasnt it??

alot of the vic track records are held by out and out champions, dogs who have made it at stud, some of the records have stood the test of times over many years, plan and simple egs isnt a strong dog, his final split is average but he is still running 25.50s at sandown, i got super strong dogs who wouldnt get close if hand slipped from the bend

im sure egs would also look super strong over 450 agaisnt slow dogs

big moose is another example, great dog, i still rate him very highly won what 48 races in tassie?? when he came over to the mainland he couldnt match it with the "best" but granted he came over for the top races and pushed el galo is brisbane. to date damek has failled against grade 5 dogs on the mainland.

im not bagging the dog i think he is a super animal, but the tags people put on them (not the owners or trainer) makes it hard for the dog because people judge them harshly on there performances. i have no doubt the dog is good enough to match it with the top dogs, but i dont think he would beat egs. egs is a dog from out of this world, no brett lee but the way he is going might end up the second best weve seen

but for kyleigh to suggest a tassie track record is worth more value then group 1s, im sorry thats the best dribble ove heard on here

nickg 11-21-2010 01:38 PM

side note

didnt egs break the horsham track record at his 2nd or 3rd start?

maybe it has been broken since but im sure he broke it early on

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 01:40 PM

Do u not understand IMO! That was what I said for me to use him he doesn't need a Melbourne cup track records will do me

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 01:42 PM

Well I was at horsham on his 3 rd start and no he didn't that night he came 2nd, and he hadn't broken it then

nickg 11-21-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyleigh (Post 18619)
Do u not understand IMO! That was what I said for Nero use him he doesn't need a Melbourne cup track records will do me

nope i only understand lol or lmao sorry :)

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nickg (Post 18621)
nope i only understand lol or lmao sorry :)

In my opinion! Not anyone elses

nickg 11-21-2010 01:53 PM

well then imo your imo is wrong :P

hahahaha

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nickg (Post 18623)
well then imo your imo is wrong :P

hahahaha

Personally I couldn't care what u think, likewise u have no right to tell me what to think either or anyone else for that matter, it would be a boring world if we all agreed

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 02:04 PM

And FYI big moose won 50 races and Damek doesn't run around with 5th graders

nickg 11-21-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyleigh (Post 18625)
And FYI big moose won 50 races and Damek doesn't run around with 5th graders

48 of them where in tassie sweety, i think he won 2 away from tassie? maybe a couple more

yeah your spot on damek runs agaisnt tier 3 class dogs, my bad imo

nickg 11-21-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyleigh (Post 18624)
Personally I couldn't care what u think, likewise u have no right to tell me what to think either or anyone else for that matter, it would be a boring world if we all agreed

is that why you keep replying?

relax, its all abit of fun

Kyleigh 11-21-2010 02:16 PM

Not really I have just noticed over time that u seem to always be telling people how it is, in a my opinion is the only one that matters kind of way and then telling them they are idiots if they do not agree, well sweetie, plenty if people have opinions so let them have them

nickg 11-21-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyleigh (Post 18628)
Not really I have just noticed over time that u seem to always be telling people how it is, in a my opinion is the only one that matters kind of way and then telling them they are idiots if they do not agree, well sweetie, plenty if people have opinions so let them have them

more so i take this site with a grain of salt, it kills time

ohh welll like i said all in good fun

nickg 11-21-2010 03:41 PM

look in the end of the day both are super dogs, both are possible the 2 fastest dogs we have going around, both are outstanding dogs

i beleive egs is a faster dog
you believe damek is a faster dog

one thing we will both agree on is we would like to own either one of them


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